we're talking about a health care plan in terms of obama care, affordable care act, whatever you want to call it, that's going to provide health care coverage for tens of millions of americans that did not have it previously. you're talking about people who had pre-existing conditions that were not able to get health care coverage before let's not pretend like this notion of deductibles and co-pays and out-of-pocket expenses is somehow a new phenomenon. that had been the norm of our health care practice. >> i want to tell you this, it's not the notion of deductibles or the notion of premiums. it's not the notion of doctors and hospitals. it's the fact, it's the reality. it's the volume. it's the level. that's what's missing. and you know why it's missing? because whatever government does with their rationing and their controls, they do it wrong. we've learned this for thousands of years. and i can't give you a lecture tonight. chris kofinis, you take this emanuel guy, put him in moth balls, buddy. mike slater, great to see you. and dr. scott gottlieb, as always, terrific stuff. >>> no